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Post by The Boss on Apr 27, 2023 0:43:43 GMT
Round 1Damp conditions made the greens extremely receptive - but also quite slow. Les Souter would be disappointed with his 70, but Ian McKinley (66) and especially Bob Fletcher (65) were both very happy with their starts. Jeff Maggert, Les's main threat to his Charles Schwab Cup first place position, could only manage a level par 72 which cheered up Les immensely, so much so that he bought a round of drinks in the bar afterwards. The barman had to break open a box of smelling salts as a result...  
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Post by The Boss on Apr 28, 2023 22:58:09 GMT
Round 2Les Souter's form appears to have deserted him so far for this final event. He only managed a level par 72 and sits near the bottom of the leaderboard at halfway. Ian McKinley, on the other hand, seems to have saved his best till last as he repeated his opening score of 66 to stay in contention just three strokes behind the current leader. Bob Fletcher is also performing well but a double bogey restricted him to a 68 today, leaving him one shot adrift of Ian and also in with a chance...  
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Post by geordieles on Apr 29, 2023 5:59:53 GMT
Are these scores correct, it seems the Pros are getting an 8 shot start from the off as they are playing a par 70 course and we are playing a par 72, im sure we have had this conversation before?
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Post by The Boss on Apr 29, 2023 11:23:44 GMT
I think a while ago we agreed that ALL the courses we use, regardless of their actual par and regardless of the real course par, would be considered to have a par of 72. That's what I've been using for the past few weeks.
The real course par for this week's event was 70 but that is completely irrelevant for the above reason.
I have used the pro golfers' actual real scores from the original event and compared them to our 'notional' par of 72. So yes, Bernhard Langer's 63 and 68 for the first two rounds gave him a score to par in the real event of -9. But as we use a standard par of 72 his score in our tourney equates to -13 after the first two rounds.
So, as far as I can see, all is well...
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Post by geordieles on Apr 29, 2023 16:10:58 GMT
I think a while ago we agreed that ALL the courses we use, regardless of their actual par and regardless of the real course par, would be considered to have a par of 72. That's what I've been using for the past few weeks. The real course par for this week's event was 70 but that is completely irrelevant for the above reason. I dont recall that being agreed, if this is what is being used when a par of 70 is used by the pros and a 72 by us you are giving the pros a further 8 shot start, on top of that our handicaps and tougher conditions. I thought we agreed that if a pro shot a -7 on a par 70, he was -7 on a par 72 so his score was 65. This seems to have reverted back to the way it was. For example this week B. Andrade and B Langer finished -14 in this event, however they will now finish -22 on our leader boards, that doesn't seem right Bob. |
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Post by The Boss on Apr 30, 2023 0:02:29 GMT
That wasn't my understanding at all. If a pro shoots 63 why should his score be changed to a 65 because the course par is different?!
No mate, the scores stay as they are, there is no change necessary as I see it. And unless I can be persuaded otherwise, it will stay the same when we start the 2017 European Tour, which will probably be sometime in July after I've returned from France...
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Post by geordieles on Apr 30, 2023 9:40:28 GMT
That wasn't my understanding at all. If a pro shoots 63 why should his score be changed to a 65 because the course par is different?! No mate, the scores stay as they are, there is no change necessary as I see it. And unless I can be persuaded otherwise, it will stay the same when we start the 2017 European Tour, which will probably be sometime in July after I've returned from France... Because he shot -7 NOT -9 you are assuming he birdied 2 more holes, giving the pros a further 4 on a par 71, 8 on a par 72 or 12 on a par 73 strokes head start Bob if you cannot see it then thats up to you. Its a similar thing with the handicaps, you work them out on Gross scores not nett like the rest of the world, nett would give you a truer handicap. Bob i like the site and the tournies you do but little things like this probably stop more players participating. Maybe on the new tour if the pros play a par 70 course pick a par 70 course for your event, if they play a par 72 pick a par 72 and work handicaps on nett scores, i doubt very much you will see +9 handicaps arising if you did. Example is Mel off +9 in last weeks Toshiba Classic Duffy Waldorf won with a -24, now for Mel to win that he would have to shoot a -61 which is unrealistic, something you were trying to avoid when starting these events. These are ideas by the way to try improve what you have not criticisms. |
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Post by The Boss on Apr 30, 2023 10:37:51 GMT
I take on board using a course with the same par as the real tournament course. This would save me a little bit of time having to alter +/- par scores on the leaderboards. This should be possible in most instances but perhaps not in all events, but I will endeavour to do that in the forthcoming European Tour. That should resolve the matter I think.
As for handicaps, that's Ian's area of expertise. I have no personal knowledge of how they work in real life, so maybe Ian will respond to your observations on that subject!!
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Post by The Boss on Apr 30, 2023 10:47:48 GMT
Round 3Les Souter recorded his best round of the week so far, a 68, which enabled him to move a little further away from the foot of the leaderboard. At the business end Ian McKinley posted a super 64 but it wasn't low enough to propel himself into first place. That was because Bob Fletcher had a round to remember, posting a scorching 61 to lead Ian by two strokes going into the final round and, with the greens drying out, that is going to make for a very interesting day...  
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Post by The Boss on May 1, 2023 15:53:56 GMT
Round 4High winds and a course almost totally devoid of moisture meant that finding the greens and careful putting were at a premium. Les Souter's 67 was his best round of the week and earned him a mid-leaderboard finish. To all intents and purposes at the beginning of the day it looked like a shoot-out between Ian McKinley and Bob Fletcher, but that wasn't how things panned out at all. Bernhard Langer's 67 and Billy Andrade's stunning 64 gave them the early joint clubhouse lead. They were joined by Ian McKinley when he could only card a 70. Overnight leader Bob Fletcher was having a real struggle, but a super birdie on #17 left him a stroke clear with just the 18th to negotiate. However, although he found the green in regulation Bon was unable to card the required par to grab the win, and his final round score of 72 meant we had a four-way play-off!! So back to the 18th tee and, when the hole was completed, three players had recorded a bogey and one player a priceless par - and that player was BILLY ANDRADE, who punched the air in delight as the Charles Schwab Cup Championship winner!! The final Charles Schwab Cup points table will follow...  
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Post by The Boss on May 1, 2023 16:43:50 GMT
The winner of the 2015 Charles Schwab Cup is LES SOUTER, who collects the top prize of $1,000,000!! Well done mate!! Les's 5 tournament wins left him well clear of his nearest challenger, tour pro Jeff Maggert.  
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