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Post by charlie on Jan 20, 2022 18:34:10 GMT
Using a new controller now and having to change my entire swing. With my old controller, I just placed one finger on top of the toggle and moved my entire arm backward, then forward. I figured it would be easier to build timing and muscle memory in bigger muscles than fast twitch muscles. With my new controller, this method won't work. I have experimented with different grips and techniques and I was about to give up; thumb flicking is a difficult way to develop any timing. I finally decided to use a two-thumb technique that some guys playing PGA 2K21 recommend. It is not perfect, it is not consistent and it is not coming very quickly. Last night, I played numerous rounds on my own course and could only shoot about 4 over at best. I did enjoy playing against Ian's round a few times. He played really well after his Ace on Number 7. Today my swing seems to be coming together; or it could be the golf gods throwing me a bone to keep me stuck in the agony of rebuilding my swing. In any event, here are 10 holes from a round I just finished today. This is the course where we are playing Doral currently, but this is not one of my tournament rounds. I find that my full shots tend to go a little left; but my putts tend to go a little right. It seems to be easier to just allow for these than to fix my swing. The problem with this technique is not so much the timing; I had good timing today. The difficulty is with making a straight stroke. It almost never happens. So I am happy to play a round with good misses right now. Swing Rebuilding |
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Post by charlie on Jan 29, 2022 14:02:07 GMT
It must have been the golf gods granting temporary success .... who have now deserted me again. Judging from my performance in the current tournament, swinging with this new controller is not going to work. Not sure I can even keep my tour card at this rate. I think I took a 7-putt on one hole. On another hole I drove the ball into water adjacent to the fairway; which left me with a drop on a small island covered in thick bushes. To get back to the fairway I had to play the shot from the bushes ..... repeatedly. I hit so many balls into the water I stopped to cook a meal and regain some strength...The crowd seems pleased though. They laugh a lot after my shots... So, after the 4 tournament rounds with the controller, I went to the range and began trying to learn the timing for the mouse swing .... which I have never understood in TGC 2019, but which I have used in many other golf games. And I actually made some progress. I hit balls for 2 or 3 hours, practiced short shots and putting, then played my own course again - 7 birdies, 5 bogies and 1 double for an even par round. So not too bad for my first round with the mouse swing. More practice needed today. The mouse swing timing in this game is crazy. I have always swung with a rhythm in computer golf games with both a mouse and a controller. In this game, I have to jerk the mouse back, wait for the Ani to catch up, watch the backswing near the top and judge when to start the downswing which has to be fast .... but not too fast. Fortunately putting is much easier. So I am hoping that the short game will come to me pretty fast since I will be missing lots of greens and fairways. Here is the first few minutes of some of my practice today: Mouse Swing PracticeI should probably drop back to Pro clubs, but I will continue to soldier on with the Master Clubs. |
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Post by The Boss on Jan 29, 2022 14:14:25 GMT
Looks promising Charlie! Your mouse swing looks more consistent than mine after one practice session, and I've been playing this wretched game for 3 years!! LOL
I think you'll be a force to be reckoned with again sooner than you think!
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Post by The Boss on Feb 3, 2022 18:38:09 GMT
Charlie, after your brave decision to change your swing I decided to change mine also. Playing was just becoming very frustrating and not that enjoyable, mainly because of the unpredictability of where my ball would end up. So I shortened my swing (by that I mean I move my mouse a much shorter distance) thereby gaining more control over the 'swing line'. I get a lot more perfect/perfect swings, although I seem to be able to still hit the ball further by using a draw if I want to, which was my standard shot 90% of the time before the change.
Last night I played a friendly, but still competitive, round at the Country Club of Austin with Ian and Les. I was the only one to get a 'clean' round and was able to compete with the guys right to the end. I haven't enjoyed a round as much for quite a while! Even my putting was pretty good, although I did miss a couple of birdie chances that I should have made.
So at last I'm feeling good about my game, the enjoyment is back, and hopefully the future is full of hope! I'm not quite there yet, but I'm happy with the way it's going...
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Post by charlie on Feb 4, 2022 2:13:26 GMT
That's great news, Bob. It has been a learning experience for me. I have used a mouse swing in Links, TW08, and PG. They all require slightly different mouse movements to get clean shots. But, so far, TGC 19 has taken me the longest to figure out the timing. But it is coming. I rarely miss a fairway now with my driver and I get a lot of Perfect Perfects. Irons are less predictable. I really have to concentrate or I will get a 90 or 95% swing; I pay a big distance penalty when that happens. The short game is developing rapidly because, in so much of my practice. I miss the green. So I am hitting a lot of flops, pitches and chips. But putting is my big bugaboo - distance control. My line is generally pretty good, but I leave a lot short. I over compensate on the next one and it goes long. So I have reduced my backswing with the putter to a 1/4 inch or less - just enough to get it started. That is helping a little; it slows the putter coming back so I find it easier to identify the transition point for the forward swing. I played several practice rounds today. Attached is a screenshot of my recent rounds with the Mouse Swing. For some reason, my last round (on my own design - Skellig Ring Ocean V3, where I just shot 4 under) is not showing. It's still a work in process but, like you, I have the feeling I am acquiring some control. Just need to work on the putting distance. Fast greens are really challenging for me right now. We'll have to hook up at Steam and play a round again.  |
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Post by charlie on Apr 6, 2022 17:12:29 GMT
As a follow-up to my whining about my swing timing problems in the posted scorecards thread for the MasterCard Tournament, I decided to go to the range to see if I can learn more about what causes (1) less than 100% power, and (2) slows at the bottom of the swing gauge (which is really the top of the backswing). It has always seemed pretty clear to me that slows and fasts at the top of the swing gauge are attributable only to how fast one moves the mouse forward in the downswing. In other words, I don't think a timing issue produces a slow or fast at the top of the swing gauge. It seems dependent solely on how fast one slides the mouse forward. My conclusions, after trying some different things on the driving range, are (1) less than 100% power is solely a timing issue, and (2) slow at the bottom of the gauge is solely how fast one pulls the mouse back in the backswing. Regarding conclusion (1), when I say timing I am speaking only about getting the transition at the top of the backswing Perfect. My results lead me to believe that less than 100% power at the bottom of the swing gauge represents "starting the downswing before completing the backswing." Regarding conclusion (2), my results lead me to believe that it is impossible to jerk the mouse back too fast in the backswing, and there is no reason to worry about pulling the mouse back too fast. I find it to be helpful to move the mouse back fast, because I can then watch the golfer's swing catch up and nail the timing at the top of the swing more easily (although still a challenge); that longer focus on the golfer's swing will help you get the timing right to avoid less than 100% power. The only bad consequence I have experienced is that it sometimes leads me to push the mouse forward too fast, resulting in some fasts at the top of the swing gauge. I can certainly work on making a less fast downswing with a lightning quick backswing, but it may be easier to just accept a fast downswing and play for the draw. I would be interested in your experience and thoughts. I made a video of my experimentation on the range together with my commentary. I apologize for the audio. For some reason, it dropped portions at times. You can find this at the following link: Swing Timing with Lightning BackswingI should add that you do not have to pull the mouse back lightning fast to avoid a slow at the bottom of the swing gauge. But you do have to pull it back with some pace. Here is a video where I make slower backswings: Swing Timing with Slower BackswingEDIT: Well I just debunked part of my theory. I speculated earlier that slows are caused solely by not bringing the club back fast enough in the backswing, so I decided to see if I could create a slow with a lightning quick backswing. I could, as seen in the video below. So, although you will create a slow with a backswing that is too slow, it is not the only way to create a slow. If you wait too long at the top of the backswing, you will also get a slow. The timing of the transition between the end of the backswing and the start of the downswing appears to be the most significant factor in creating or avoiding less than 100% power and slows. My theory on Slows debunkedBack to the range for more practice. |
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Post by randy on Apr 6, 2022 18:35:08 GMT
Excellent stuff charlie,
You can say this is also a problem with the controller too. I have slows when I know I've pulled the toggle back fast and couldn't figure out why I got the slow 
For now, I always do a practice back swing first before I make my down swing...pull the toggle back then let go, then do a complete swing. This helps in my tempo and and a straight swing.
As you know the controller isn't ezzz peeezzzy either.
I'll be watching your progression on the confounding slows in the swing.
Thanks charlie
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